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A little info that might help you w/ your thinking,,,,


The Internet Gambling Prohibition Act, championed by Sen. Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.), was offered as an amendment to a large appropriations bill. The bill, which also includes new efforts to control obscenity in cyberspace, is "the most serious effort to date to regulate the Internet," said Robert Weich, legal counsel to the American Civil Liberties Union. Although this is an issue with important ramifications, it provoked little controversy in the Senate, and the Kyl amendment passed by a margin of 90 to 10. Few lawmakers want to be seen as pro-gambling, and few want to oppose anything that is wrapped in save-the-children rhetoric.

Given the anti-gambling sentiment on Capitol Hill, leaders of the horse racing industry consider themselves lucky that they weren't damaged too much by the final version of the Kyl bill. The original draft of the bill would have devastated the sport, but the bill passed Thursday carves out some important exemptions for parimutuel wagering and allows other gray areas in existing law to remain gray.
 

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Tried to post the link its from the Washington Post..sorry
Ran last year..
 

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At least post the date on this so no one thinks it is new.

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<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=590 border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top align=left><TD width=20> </TD><TD width=446><!--plsfield:headline-->[SIZE=+2]Internet Gambling Bill: All Bets Are Off[/SIZE]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
An adult sits at his personal computer, accesses the Internet and engages in an on-line activity that hurts nobody. But the government disapproves of what he is doing and charges him with a crime that carries a fine and a prison sentence.

This may sound like a human-rights horror story. But the scenario could happen in America, if a Senate measure that makes betting on the Internet a criminal offense becomes law.
The Internet Gambling Prohibition Act, championed by Sen. Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.), was offered as an amendment to a large appropriations bill. The bill, which also includes new efforts to control obscenity in cyberspace, is "the most serious effort to date to regulate the Internet," said Robert Weich, legal counsel to the American Civil Liberties Union. Although this is an issue with important ramifications, it provoked little controversy in the Senate, and the Kyl amendment passed by a margin of 90 to 10. Few lawmakers want to be seen as pro-gambling, and few want to oppose anything that is wrapped in save-the-children rhetoric.
Because the House has already passed its version of the appropriations bill without a gambling amendment, the final decision on the Internet gambling issue will be made in a House-Senate conference committee. It is unlikely that many lawmakers will speak up for gambling there, too.
Given the anti-gambling sentiment on Capitol Hill, leaders of the horse racing industry consider themselves lucky that they weren't damaged too much by the final version of the Kyl bill. The original draft of the bill would have devastated the sport, but the bill passed Thursday carves out some important exemptions for parimutuel wagering and allows other gray areas in existing law to remain gray.
The principal federal law that governs interstate gambling, the Wire Act of 1961, has long been outdated, and it left unclear the legality of such modern innovations as "cybercasinos" as well as much of the simulcast and telephone betting that has become standard at racetracks.
Kyl's bill is explicit: "It shall be unlawful for a person knowingly to use the Internet or any other interactive computer service to place, receive or otherwise make a bet or wager with any person." It is intended to target the rapidly growing on-line gambling industry: bookmakers who accept wagers on sporting events and operations that offer casino-type games.
It seems a bit hypocritical for political leaders to get moralistic about gambling when the biggest, most intrusive gambling operators are the state governments that offer lotteries. And the current efforts to restrict betting on the Internet seem inconsistent, too. If a resident of Nevada -- a state where casino gambling is legal -- wants to bet a hand of "virtual blackjack" on his computer instead of doing so at Caesars Palace, what's wrong with that? Even the Justice Department was dubious about the prohibition. When asked for an opinion on the Kyl bill, L. Anthony Sutin, acting assistant attorney general, wrote: "It may be . . . hard to explain why conduct that is not a federal crime in the physical world suddenly becomes subject to federal criminal sanction when committed in cyberspace."
Why? Because we've got to protect children, that's why. Kyl and the other backers of this bill repeatedly evoke the image of children getting addicted to gambling via computer. "Children can access Internet gambling sites on the family computer, wager with Mom's credit card, click the mouse and bet the house," Kyl declared. Of course, if youths borrow the family credit card they can find plenty of other ways to get into trouble, but the possibility of children's misbehavior is supposed to be grounds for controlling the behavior of responsible adults.
Of course, trying to control what happens on the Internet is an exercise in futility. The U.S. will not be able to police bookmakers in Australia or cybercasinos in Costa Rica (though proponents of the bill suggest that Internet service providers could be forced to block access to all illegal gambling sites.) Nor will the U.S. be able to jail foreigners who run on-line gambling operations. But it can punish bettors. Under the terms of the Kyl bill, the adult who sits at his personal computer, accesses the Internet and places a bet is subject to a three-month prison sentence and a $500 fine.
Kyl hadn't been thinking about the horse racing industry when he drafted his bill, but its original language was so broad that it seemed to ban interstate simulcasting as well as the transmission of basic wagering information by computer. The American Horse Council and leaders of the industry made their case to Kyl and his staff and did an effective job, so that the final version carves out plenty of exceptions for the parimutuel business and leaves other issues ambiguous. "Given the circumstances," said Jay Hickey, president of the American Horse Council, "I think racing's future options have been protected as well as possible." It will be illegal for a horseplayer in one state to send a wager via computer to a racetrack in another state. But the legislation does permit "a closed-loop subscribed-based service that is wholly Interstate," which seems to open plenty of possibilities. (A Marylander could bet a race at Hollywood Park if his wager is initially transmitted to Laurel Park's computer.) The Kyl bill does not address the practice of some off-track betting operators to accept telephone-wagering accounts from people in states where telephone betting is not legal. So racing fans should not be affected too much by this legislation -- unless the Gambling Police bust down the door to see if they're making any illicit computer wagers. <!--Text end-->
 

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Politicians are all about the money. Unless somebody is seriously greasing their ass, nobody there cares about anything. Overall, the dems are not much better than the Republicans. But still, priorities come down from on high.....and right now you guys are responsible for that one. And still have yet to hear your apologies.
 

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You also barely need to look at the Democratic administrations in Washington State (Class C Felony for online wagering), Louisianna (Misdeamor or Felony for online wagering) and New York (Eliot Spitzer, democratic presidential hopeful, victims: Citibank and Paypal for gambling payments).
 

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Then why did they say that the bill passed?

I dont understand the date if the bill passed last year...maybe you can answer this.
 

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109th Congress / House / 2nd session / Vote 363

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  • Question: On Passage
  • Bill: H R 4411
  • Vote description: Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act
  • Vote type: Recorded Vote <SMALL>(Help)</SMALL> A standard vote that requires a simple majority for approval or passage of the legislation.
  • Result: Passed, 317-93, with 22 not voting.
  • Date/time: July 11, 2006, 3:18 p.m.
  • Republican majority opinion: Yes <SMALL>(Help)</SMALL> The position of more than 50 percent of voting Republicans. "None" means an equal split between "Yes" and "No."
  • Democrat majority opinion: Yes <SMALL>(Help)</SMALL> The position of more than 50 percent of voting Democrats. "None" means an equal split between "Yes" and "No."
Vote totals

By party | By state/territory | By region | By boomer status | By gender | By astrological sign

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<TABLE class=dataTable><THEAD><TR><TH>Party</TH><TH>Yes</TH><TH>No</TH><TH>Not Voting</TH></TR></THEAD><TBODY><TR><TH class=left style="WIDTH: 150px">Democratic</TH><TD>115</TD><TD>76</TD><TD>10</TD><TR class=shadedrow><TH class=left style="WIDTH: 150px">Independent</TH><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TR><TH class=left style="WIDTH: 150px">Republican</TH><TD>201</TD><TD>17</TD><TD>12</TD></TR><TFOOT><TR><TH class=left>Total</TH><TD>317</TD><TD>93</TD><TD>22</TD></TR></TFOOT></TABLE>
 

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The Dems are obviously no more a philosophical friend to online gambling than the Republicans, but its important to keep in mind that they're even *less* of a friend to the Republicans and the current administration in particular. As I've noted elsewhere--and right or wrong--the online gambling jihyad is perceived as a Republican issue. If the Dems think its to their political advantage to start supporting online gambling--even if its just as a way to distinguish themselves from the other side of the aisle--they will.
 

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109th Congress / House / 2nd session / Vote 363

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  • Question: On Passage
  • Bill: H R 4411
  • Vote description: Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act
  • Vote type: Recorded Vote <SMALL>(Help)</SMALL> A standard vote that requires a simple majority for approval or passage of the legislation.
  • Result: Passed, 317-93, with 22 not voting.
  • Date/time: July 11, 2006, 3:18 p.m.
  • Republican majority opinion: Yes <SMALL>(Help)</SMALL> The position of more than 50 percent of voting Republicans. "None" means an equal split between "Yes" and "No."
  • Democrat majority opinion: Yes <SMALL>(Help)</SMALL> The position of more than 50 percent of voting Democrats. "None" means an equal split between "Yes" and "No."
Vote totals

By party | By state/territory | By region | By boomer status | By gender | By astrological sign

Click a party to list individual members.
<TABLE class=dataTable><THEAD><TR><TH>Party</TH><TH>Yes</TH><TH>No</TH><TH>Not Voting</TH></TR></THEAD><TBODY><TR><TH class=left style="WIDTH: 150px">Democratic</TH><TD>115</TD><TD>76</TD><TD>10</TD><TR class=shadedrow><TH class=left style="WIDTH: 150px">Independent</TH><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TR><TH class=left style="WIDTH: 150px">Republican</TH><TD>201</TD><TD>17</TD><TD>12</TD></TR><TFOOT><TR><TH class=left>Total</TH><TD>317</TD><TD>93</TD><TD>22</TD></TR></TFOOT></TABLE>
It looks to me like almost FORTY percent of the Dems voted against this bill.



It also looks like NINETY percent of the Republicans voted for this bill.


This seems to obfuscate your basic premise of the two parties, now doesn't it?
 

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CAPN CRUNCH said:
It looks to me like almost FORTY percent of the Dems voted against this bill.



It also looks like NINETY percent of the Republicans voted for this bill.


This seems to obfuscate your basic premise of the two parties, now doesn't it?

Capn' Crunch is correct in suggest that the Dems may be *nominally* better for online gambling. Of course I'd be willing to wager (legally or otherwise) that a good majority that voted against it was voting more against the Republicans than championed the bill than voting against it on principle. Of course as long as we can bet legally, the reasons they support online gambling is pretty irrelevent IMO...
 

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Then why did they say that the bill passed?

It was it passed the Senate.

"Because the House has already passed its version of the appropriations bill without a gambling amendment, the final decision on the Internet gambling issue will be made in a House-Senate conference committee."

It was defeated in 1999 by lobbyist Jack Abramoff, which later became somewhat of a scandle.
 

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It was it passed the Senate.

"Because the House has already passed its version of the appropriations bill without a gambling amendment, the final decision on the Internet gambling issue will be made in a House-Senate conference committee."

It was defeated in 1999 by lobbyist Jack Abramoff, which later became somewhat of a scandle.

thanks did not that:toast:
 

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Capn' Crunch is correct in suggest that the Dems may be *nominally* better for online gambling. Of course I'd be willing to wager (legally or otherwise) that a good majority that voted against it was voting more against the Republicans than championed the bill than voting against it on principle. Of course as long as we can bet legally, the reasons they support online gambling is pretty irrelevent IMO...

good point..
 

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Is it just me or do these republicans not see the irony in these bills being introduced only by republicans. Who cares how many democrats voted for it, the fact is none of them cared enough to put it up for vote.

As for democrats voting for it, I'm not surprised, most do not consider internet gambling as an issue they'd stake their political careers on. It's not exactly roe vs. wade here. They most likely voted for it in hopes of getting republican votes for a future bill.

But what's evidently clear: more democrats have a laisser-faire attitude towards internet gambling than the republicans.
 

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Brief History of Internet Gambling Legislation

Brief History of Internet Gambling Legislation
A Timeline of Key Congressional Actions

104th Congress
December 1995

Senator Jon Kyl introduces S. 1495, the Crime Prevention Act of 1995. Based on a request from the State Attorneys General, the bill includes a brief title amending the Wire Act to clarify that non-sports betting is prohibited.

On the same day, the House Committee on the Judiciary amends H.R. 497, the National Gambling Impact Study Commission Act, to include an assessment of Internet gambling.
August 1996

The National Gambling Impact Study Commission Act (Pub. L. 104-169) is signed into law by President Clinton, including the study of Internet gambling.
105th Congress

March 1997

Sen. Kyl introduces S. 474, the Internet Gambling Prohibition Act of 1997, expanding slightly on the legislation proposed in the previous Congress. Rep. Bob Goodlatte introduces a companion bill in September.
July 1998

Sen. Kyl and Sen. Richard Bryan offer the Internet Gambling Prohibition Act of 1998 as an amendment to an appropriations bill. This bill includes new injunctive authority aimed at taking down or disabling access to illegal gambling websites. The amendment passes the Senate 90-10 (Record Vote 229).
106th Congress
June 1999

The National Gambling Impact Study Commission issues its report, recommending legislation that blocks money transfers to offshore gambling websites, and recommends against the legalization of any new forms of Internet gambling.
November 1999

S. 629, the Internet Gambling Prohibition Act of 1999, passes the Senate by unanimous consent. This bill continues to expand on injunctions against computer services as the method for enforcing the prohibition.
Summer 2000

The House Committee on Judiciary reports H.R. 3125, Rep. Bob Goodlatte’s companion to the Senate-passed bill, by a vote of 21-8. House Leadership places the bill on the suspension calendar, which requires a 2/3 vote for passage. Rumors circulate on the Hill about “carve-outs” that would “expand gambling on the Internet.” Unbeknownst to many at the time, many of these rumors originate with Jack Abramoff, who is trying to kill the bill on behalf of his client, eLottery. The bill receives a favorable vote of 245-159 (Roll Call 404), but short of the 2/3 vote required.

Meanwhile, Rep. Jim Leach introduces H.R. 4419, the Internet Gambling Funding Prohibition Act. This is the first bill to focus on blocking financial transactions, based on the recommendations of the National Gambling Impact Study Commission. The Financial Services Committee holds a public hearing and revises the bill on that basis.
107th Congress

Throughout 2001

The House of Representatives considers and revises the reintroduced Leach bill (H.R. 556). The House Financial Services and Judiciary Committees both hold public hearings.

Meanwhile, Rep. Goodlatte reintroduces the Abramoff-scuttled bill as the Combating Illegal Gambling Reform and Modernization Act. The new Goodlatte bill includes revisions based on concerns raised by the Department of Justice in the previous Congress.
October 2002

H.R. 556, the Leach-LaFalce Internet Gambling Enforcement Act, is considered by the House of Representatives under suspension of the rules. The revised bill turns to regulations developed by the Department of Treasury as the central tool for blocking financial transactions. It also incorporates some elements of Rep. Goodlatte’s bill. The bill passes the House of Representatives by a voice vote.
108th Congress

March 2003

The House Financial Services Committee reports the same bill that passed in October 2002, renamed the Unlawful Internet Gambling Funding Prohibition Act (H.R. 21).

Senator Jon Kyl introduces companion legislation in the Senate (S. 627) and hearings are held in the Senate Banking Committee.

June 2003

After a “strengthening” amendment passes the House Committee on the Judiciary but proves to be a poison pill, Rep. Spencer Bachus introduces a similar bill that only authorizes financial regulations, to circumvent Judiciary jurisdiction. The Bachus version of the bill (H.R. 2143) passes the House of Representatives 319-104 (Roll Call 255)
July 2003

The Senate version of the bill meets a similar fate to H.R. 21, succumbing to “strengthening” committee amendments that result in fatal opposition to the bill. The Bachus bill is never considered on the Senate side.
109th Congress

Fall 2005

The Washington Post publishes a front page exposé chronicling how Jack Abramoff had corrupted the Internet gambling votes in 2000. A few weeks later, Rep. Leach introduces H.R. 4411, the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2005, a further revision of his previous bills. In February 2006, Rep. Goodlatte reintroduces his bill from the 106th Congress, now H.R. 4777.
Spring 2006

The House Financial Services Committee reports H.R. 4411 by a voice vote. The House Judiciary Committee holds a hearing on H.R. 4777, and reports both bills. Then the sponsors and committees negotiate a merged bill, combining the Wire Act amendments from H.R. 4777 with the financial regulations from H.R. 4411, and injunctive remedies found in both bills.
July 2006
The House of Representatives votes 317-93 in favor of the Goodlatte-Leach bill (Roll Call 363). The chairmen of the Senate Banking and Judiciary Committees waive jurisdiction and the bill goes directly to the Senate calendar, but a few Senators place holds on the bill and express preference for the pre-merger version of H.R. 4411.
September 2006

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist seeks to attach the text of the Leach bill to any available vehicle to expedite passage in the Senate. The conferees for a port security bill sign off on including the language in the conference report. The port security bill is passed by both Houses, and the Members are fully aware of the inclusion of Internet gambling provisions at the time of the vote. President Bush signs it into law on October 13, 2006.​
 

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Is it just me or do these republicans not see the irony in these bills being introduced only by republicans. Who cares how many democrats voted for it, the fact is none of them cared enough to put it up for vote.

As for democrats voting for it, I'm not surprised, most do not consider internet gambling as an issue they'd stake their political careers on. It's not exactly roe vs. wade here. They most likely voted for it in hopes of getting republican votes for a future bill.

But what's evidently clear: more democrats have a laisser-faire attitude towards internet gambling than the republicans.
Well said Mr. Crunch! The Republicans are mostly lying , evil creatures that like to blame everything on somebody else and/or Bill Clinton's schlong. Either way, they are mostly evil.

They, that voted for Bush have yet to apologize for their part in the evilness we have unleashed upon the world.
 

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wow...i guess I am an evil person for Voting for Bush...unreal
 

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